Third GOP presidential debate: And then there were four

Third GOP presidential debate: And then there were four
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The third debate for the Republican Party’s presidential nomination Wednesday election2016seems to have been the best showcase so far for the differences between the self-proclaimed conservative candidates who want the White House.

Sure, every single one of the A candidates (we’re not even counting the Happy Hour debaters) is the “only one up here” to do something or other and every single one of them wants to save Social Security and every single one if them has a tax reform proposal that was better than the next one’s.

It felt like a different type of competition: Whose got the biggest, er, tax plan.

And maybe it’s because of the cumulative effect as we get closer and closer to the first primary in Iowa Feb. 1, but Wednesday’s debate has all the makings of a turning point. People will look back in a year and call this debate the one that thinned the herd.

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Right off the bat, there are a couple of people who need to pack up and go home tomorrow: Pennsylvania Sen. Rand Paul and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee.  Both needed to have break-out moments and neither did. Paul’s less-is-more on government regulation is just expected now. He needs to expand on it. And Huckabee scores some points for his push to fund research for major diseases — like diabetes, cancer and Alzheimer’s — to save money on Medicare. But he likes Donald Trump too much and he closed by saying that he wasn’t in it for himself. So save us the time, Mike, and get out now.

Former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush was no more exciting than usual and, as wejebbushflags learned, is doing better with his Fantasy Football League (7-0) than he is on his campaign, so maybe he should stick to that. He is only prolonging the campaign’s death by diluting the palliative meds.

Ohio Gov. John Kasich stumbled too much and has too much pride for his home state — “In Ohio I did this, in Ohio I did that” — that it would be a crime to pull him away to Pennsylvania Avenue. He also lost a lot of votes with all that talk about requiring “public service” hours from university graduates. You mean like the communist Cuban government does?

New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie was more fun to watch. His performance and dumbfounded responses — “Really? We’re going to talk about regulating Fantasy Football?” — will bring him up from the back of the bus for a couple of weeks, but not much longer. He was like the Bernie Sanders of the GOP field Wednesday, just saying the first thing that popped into his head. But he still won’t be taken seriously because of his Jersey shore “deadly serious” style.

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Carly Fiorina looks angry even when she smiles and could hardly get a word in. She scores a few points for taking accountability for the HP firing, but she cannot be “the female alternative” candidate because, well, that position’s already taken by Hillary Clinton.

In fact, if we had to cull the Final Four out of this debate it would be Trump, who packs heat but finalfourcan’t answer a question straight on if his life depended on it, and Ben Carson — if only because they got the most attention from the moderators, since they are leading the national polls — and Sens. Marco Rubio and Ted Cruz, who did the best with their limited time and should be leading the national polls.

Carson might slip a bit in the polls after this, though. He seemed to sleep through most of it (did he drink Jeb’s “tea” by mistake?) and his somewhat stammering answers about that drug company he took money from did not ring genuine. Nobody is going to believe that he didn’t know his face was on their website. That’s, as he said on live TV, “a buncha crap.”

Cruz and Rubio both connected with the typical American Republican voter when they blasted the mainstream media, which is as evil and complicit as the Washington establishment (to their audience) and which was more obviously than ever trying to pit the candidates against each other with loaded questions that seemed really over the top. Even for NBC.

Cruz is also increasingly polite to the other candidates, and that gives him more gravitas.

But Rubio probably scored the most points. He was able to deftly thwart lame attacks on his rubiobushvoting record and personal finances — because that’s the best they can do against him, ladies and gents — telling his one-time friend and mentor Bush that he was getting bad advice.

“What is it? Like a French work week? You get like three days when you have to show up,” asked Bush, because he is under the false impression that a Senator has to punch a time card to represent the constituency when, by the way, those of us who voted for him are all too happy to have Marquito run around the country trying to become the first Hispanic president in the U.S.

“Someone has convinced you that attacking me is going to help you,” Rubio shot back without hesitation and to some applause. He refused to fight back. He said he wasn’t running against Bush or anybody on that stage. He had already set the record straight, adding that John McCain, Barack Obama, and John Kerry — who was endorsed by the same newspaper that called for Rubio’s resignation — missed more votes in the year of their presidential campaigns.

Rubio, who probably has more in common with voters than any other candidate, connected yet again with paycheck-to-paycheck voters and was also the only one who, in closing arguments, chose not to talk about how great he was and what he had done in his home state or fighting Obama or how he was a “proven leader.”

No, instead, Rubio talked about America and restoring the American dream.

“We can’t just save the American dream we can expand it, to reach more people than ever before,” he said.

That just might be the kind of thing that will set him apart from the other three candidates who are left.

9 Responses to "Third GOP presidential debate: And then there were four"

  1. Dear Luz,

    You seem a little confused. Hispanic is not a race. Hispanics come in all skin tones, including Caucasian.

    Please get off that racist horse. It doesn’t do any of us any good.

  2. Letty, take a breath. Cruz does not believe in any sort of open borders, neither do any of them. What probably sets them apart most distinctly is that Cruz does not believe in any path to citizenship, ever.

    But, I suspect that your real problem is any type of immigration, especially if it’s not European. Well, sorry to say, even if they stop ALL entry of ALL immigrants, legal and otherwise, without Caucasians procreating more and Hispanics procreating less it’s not happening. But, here’s an idea, it can go either one of two ways: 1) the government criminalizes the pregnancy and subsequent birth of Hispanics AND AT THE SAME TIME 2) incentivizing the birth of Caucasians by an additional 25% tax break. That should do it.

    Of course, that would also shred the Constitution we hold as the rule of our Republic. But, “what difference does it make?”

  3. Rubio, Carson, Cruz support turning the USA into a 3rd world hell hole.

    the USA cannot sustain their open borders, pro ilelgals, pro foreign national work force agenda.

    Even “LEGAL” visa holders now have 300,000 anchor babies a year so they get to overstay their VISAS

    That means MORE schools have to be built on your dime, more transportation congestion, higher welfare and social service costs, double HC costs, less water and less affordable energy .

    THEY are all for JOBS for illegals and foreign nationals first : Carson calls it compassionate affirmative action. Cruz calls it hiring the most intelligent from around the world to make t he USA the greatest nation and alot of other BS reasons for exploding the population through VISAS . RUBIO just calls it compassion , give them more free stuff and paying more

    the explosive population growth from illegals, foreign workers that those 3 propose is unsustainable . THE USA will be turned into a 3rd world HELL HOLE in less than 10 years …. :

    Every illegal will have 5 more kids in the next 5 years and their offspring will have 5 x 5 more kids in the next 15 years.

  4. Hard to believe any of these people relate or even remember living pay check to pay check…Even the poor bartender’s kid whose parents fled the communist island arriving in the US in 1956 with a 6 year old Marco (wait, I thought Batista famously left Cuba on new years eve in ’59? So if Cuba wasn’t communist until 1959 that would technically make the Rubios economic refugees) … well whatever his story, he has raised around what? $50 million? I doubt they are clipping coupons.

    They ALL “embellish”

    What I can believe is they ALL relate to living pac check to pac check..

  5. Rubio. What has he said that would make him a front-runner? “We can’t just save the American dream we can expand it, to reach more people than ever before,” he said. So, how does he propose to do this? He has no substance, just like all the other republican contenders who are the darlings of the “paycheck-to- paycheck republicans.” Those living paycheck-to-paycheck are not going to donate enough money to get Rubio in office. Those with millions will get him into office and the wage slaves will continue to live paycheck-to-paycheck.

  6. TALK IS CHEAP, HOW ABOUT CHOOSING WHAT THEIR ACTIONS AND EXPERIENCES HAVE BEEN IN THE PAST. BOY WHAT A CONCEPT!

    • Rubio’s as slick as Hillary Clinton, as slick as the latest idiot occupying the White House and as slick as whatecer candidate the Fourth Estate will allow.

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